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November 30, 2018
10:22 am
Dr Lorna PhD
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Hi Missy:

It is an unfortunate fact of chemotherapy, that it can foster more cancer down the road.  Chemotherapy agents are carcinogenic.  So some of her later cancers may be the result of her previous treatments.  That is not to say that she shouldn’t have been treated.  Chemotherapy, for now, is still the standard of care, and for her water under the bridge.  That said, her high intake of refined sugars and carbohydrates feed cancer. I can certainly understand her wanting to give up when it seems her fight with cancer never ends.  However, I want to tell you and her that winning her battle against cancer is still doable.  Because she is obviously depressed, it is time for you to take over her dietary care.  She may not want to admit it but she will be glad to have someone else do that for her.  Vicki’s suggestions are right on the money. Vegetable soups and smoothies, along with easily digestible protein sources are what she needs right now.  Cancer is a metabolic disease and her metabolism has been decimated.  Food sources of vitamins, minerals, and antioxidants, are required to get her body back on track.  The supplements Vicki recommended are meant to augment the food nutrient sources.  She needs both.  The one medication that I would try to get her off of would be the statin drug.  The downstream metabolites that are being inhibited by this drug are necessary for her recovery.  I don’t understand why, after three bouts of cancer, the doctors still think that lowering cholesterol is important for her health.  On the contrary!  Cholesterol is necessary for the manufacturer of many different substances (not just CoQ10) that her body will require for recovery.  High cholesterol is the least of her problems.  See if you can get her off that drug.  Statins have been shown to increase the risk of diabetes and cancer.  Your mom’s body needs as much support as it can get and the scientific literature has not shown any benefit for statin drugs in the elderly, particularly women.  She and you can do this!  Dr. Lorna

November 28, 2018
11:58 am
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Thank you for sending this information, Missy. Once all of us have had the opportunity to review all of this, we will be happy to make suggestions. One of the first things I recommend is giving your Mom something to live for, such as providing her with more nutritionally potent foods that replenish some obviously lost nutrients so that she is not so depressed or angry about living a longer life in better health. For instance, in reviewing the medications and dates they were prescribed, it is clear that some of this could have caused nutritional deficiencies that ultimately resulted in her current state of mind and even poor health.

For instance, we know that antibiotics destroy beneficial flora necessary for proper digestion of nutrients from the foods we consume, as well as building our immune systems, which results in a weakened immune system and progressive illness or disease. Statin drugs, such as Atorvastatin (Lipitor), are shown to cause many deficiencies, as well, which is why it is essential to take CoQ10 with statin drugs. We recommend FIGTreeVitamins.com 100% pure, soy-free COQ10 200MG per softgel (1 upon rising; may repeat midday). Exemestane (Aromasin) suppresses estrogen production, when in fact, we have learned from Dr. Helen that using a natural progesterone cream could balance hormone levels so that estrogen is not “dominant.” An unaddressed hormone imbalance can result in heart problems, such as high blood pressure. Amlodipine (Norvasc, a calcium channel blocker) and Lisinopril (an ACE inhibitor) is now linked to various forms of cancers; however, studies are ongoing. Nadalol (Corgard – Beta Blocker), Enalapril (Vasotec – ACE inhibitor – is this in addition to Lisinopril?) and Miralax (a chemical bowel loosener) and Neurontin (Gabapentin for neurological problems, probably caused by chemo). Asking one of your mother’s doctors to help her wean off of some of these medications can be very helpful in making her feel stronger and better about life. 

It is likely that some of these medications are causing vitamin, amino acid, EFA and mineral deficiencies and minerals are essential for muscle health, including the heart muscle. At the very least, the FIGTreeVitamins.com BASIC WELLNESS PACKAGE, should be helpful, as would checking her diet against our ANTIFUNGAL FOOD CHOICES LIST diet. For severe constipation, likely caused by killing off cancer (fungal, parasitic, viral and/or bacterial microbes) and dumping them into her intestinal system, which can become sluggish after chemo too. 

Also, cancer cells LOVE sugar, so Ensure, PBJ sandwiches, etc. are not well-advised; however, I understand she needs nutritional help. I suggest instead of Ensure, she consume FIGTreeVitamins.com raw/undenatured, organic unflavored WHEY PROTEIN Powder. Making easy to consume, nutritive foods, such as vegetable soups (no starchy veggies), vegetable smoothies, etc. should be very helpful for her. Soft cooked eggs are also a great addition for more protein.

I am sure others have recommendations too.

November 25, 2018
1:41 pm
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Hi Vicki, Dr. Jon, Dr. Helen and Dr. Lorna,

Thanks for sending the Questionnaire. Here are the answers I was able to get. I couldn’t get clear info on some of them, so removed them from the questionnaire to shorten it. Thanks for your help.

Missy

Name: Carolyn Allen

Month, Day and Year of birth: 2/18/50

Current Height and weight: 5’4” , 105 lbs (and too thin)

What health issues are you currently having for which you would like suggestions? Cancer of the colon just diagnosed

Health issues diagnosed, during lifetime (preferably in order of occurrence, from birth forward)? Uterine Cancer with total hysterectomy 2003 (year after my Dad died). Breast Cancer with total mastectomy 2014. Colon Cancer now.

Please list the approximate dates/years that current and past health issues began (we are looking for which health issues were first, second, third, etc., as applicable): About a year after Dad died in December 2001.

What prescription drugs are currently used (list all) and please list the approximate year each medication was first prescribed (we want to know which drugs were prescribed first, second, third, etc.)? Antibiotics for sinusitis every couple of years since early 1970’s. Various statin drugs since 1998 (taking Atorvastatin now). Exemestane since 2014.  Amlodipine, Lisinopril since 2015. Nadalol,  Enalapril and Miralax since 2016. Neurontin since 2017.

What NON-prescription drugs and over-the-counter remedies are currently used (INCLUDE cold and cough medicines, aspirin and other analgesics, allergy remedies, antacids, etc. – list all)? Bayer aspirin, Benadryl (1-2 per day since late 1990’s or early 2000’s), Omeprazole for the past several years (not sure of dates). Also whatever is in chemotherapy infusions.

Typically, how many bowel movements do you have per day? Used to have them regularly. Now 1 every day or two. Lots of gas.

Any dental work? If yes, please explain. Are there any amalgam fillings, dental implants, crowns, bridges, braces, veneers or other dental restorations (if so, please list)? Bridge 2005, 2 crowns around that time too.

Regarding eating and drinking habits, which of the following apply and please state how often:

How many meals and snacks are typically consumed each day?

MealsUsed to be breakfast and early dinner. Now whatever I can get her to eat. See my online posting below.

Snacks: Cottage cheese or yogurt

She sleeps a lot, probably 18-20 hours a day now.

How much water is consumed each day (in ounces) and how consistent is this consumption? I try to get her to drink more. Maybe 10 ounces daily

USED TO EAT:  She used to eat everything, including lots of ice cream, cake, cookies, but everything else was good, salads, meats. She loved to cook so never pre-prepared foods from the frozen or boxed sections of the store. She loves Big Macs (or McRibs when they are available), fries and McDonald’s chocolate shakes, and when she ate out with Dad or friends, it was usually the local diner for a sandwich and fries. She didn’t do that very often and never does anymore. Drinks were water, coffee, iced tea with lemon and Sweet n’ Low. Didn’t drink pop for the past 20 years, maybe longer. No soy and no raw fish or meats.

I hope this is enough for you to help us. I think if I can get her to eat more she would get stronger and maybe enjoy life more. Please help.

Gratefully,

Missy

November 24, 2018
5:07 pm
VickiY.
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Any way you want to submit the information is fine; whatever we can do to help. It sounds like your husband and kids are as wonderful as you are in trying to care for your Mom. I am sure she appreciates all of your efforts, Missy, even if you are not sure that is true sometimes. God bless all of you…Vicki

November 24, 2018
4:44 pm
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I got it and have been working on it. Almost done and I know what she eats and can give you a basic list of what she did eat but she isn’t very hungry these days and it’s hard to get much down her. The doctors have her drinking 2 Chocolate Ensures every day and I can get her to eat half a grilled cheese or PBJ most days. She will snack on cottage cheese or Greek yogurt. Other than that she mostly sleeps. I took advantage of her weakened state to move her to our house but she just wants to go home and be left alone. I think my kids (ages 10-boy and 7-girl) tire her out too so I have to try and keep them away from her most of the day. It’s just a big adjustment. My husband has been amazing, spending a lot of time just sitting with her holding her hand, a side of him I did not fully realize existed, so that’s a nice surprise. She does enjoy his time with her. Anyway, If it’s ok, I’ll put the questions and answers here to get everyone’s input. Will Dr. Walker see it and put in her thoughts too? Thanks for what you do.

Missy  

November 24, 2018
4:18 pm
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Hi Missy, and welcome! It is easy to understand your frustration, Sweetheart, as well as your Mom’s. Not only has she lost her husband but she has been battling several cancers for 15 years and it probably seems never to end. That is a lot to carry. I emailed you our Questionnaire; even if Mom is too tired to complete it, you can probably complete most of it for her. We need to know what 8 medications she is taking, what her diet is and did she ever have chemotherapy (if yes, did she ever cleanse the chemicals out of her body)? Any information you can provide will be helpful. We look forward to hearing from you both ~ Vicki  

November 24, 2018
11:58 am
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I am frustrated with mother, age 68 widow on 8 medications, had uterine CA with hysterectomy 15 years ago then breast CA with mastectomy 4 years ago and now diagnosed with colon CA. She refuses to do anything and is ready to die. How do we convince her to live?

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